Rob St. Mary is an independent filmmaker in Michigan. A few years ago, he made Tainted, a horror movie that I liked. More recently he made a documentary called The Separation on State Street. It’s about what happened when a self-proclaimed witch named Anonka opened a museum in a small, deeply religious town. Later she became upset about a crèche on town property and wound up suing the town.

Sounded interesting and I asked Rob to send me a copy. But after I’d watched the film, my immediate reaction was negative… no, actually not negative; I found that I was angry for reasons that I didn’t understand. I emailed Rob and told him that I didn’t like the film, but something about it stuck with me, and we began an email conversation about State St. Here’s a condensed version.
MIKE MAYO:
I think that part of my problem is that I went into the film with the wrong expectations. I’m thinking we’ve got a story about a witch–nice, friendly, kinda kooky middle aged woman who wouldn’t harm a fly–but then she turns out to be darker than that. She’s not darker in a traditional “witch” way, but her “Inquisition Tour” is filled with crudely hand-lettered, grammatically incorrect poster boards and bad bloody models. I cannot imagine anyone paying to see something that amateurish. And then to put it in the middle of a conservative small town is like opening a butcher shop in a vegan commune.
It’s clear that she trusted you and gave you a lot of access to her interests. How do you want us to take Anonka?
ROB ST. MARY:
I told her flat out, that if she were willing to be the subject of what would eventually become The Separation on State Street, I would more than likely find out things she might not like and even wish that I didn’t put in the final film. I made it clear that I was going to follow this story wherever it would take me. In the end, she was open, honest and gave me full rein to shoot and ask anything.
But if your aim is to look for a hero in State St. you won’t find it in a person. It’s in an idea. That idea is the right for all — regardless of their ideas or religious philosophy — to speak before their elected officials without fear. In the end, I feel that I didn’t shape Anonka. Her movements, ideas and philosophy are her own. I just showed what happened in her life — as unusual as it may be — for those few years.
MM:
You would have had a completely different film if the people on the other side of the debate had agreed to be filmed. As it is, the traditional Christians come off well. How did you work around their decision not to take part?
RSM:
The issue was a tough one for me. At one point I didn’t know if I could go forward with what I had because it seemed to be “all Anonka, all the time”. But where I received help in bringing the opposition’s words, thoughts and feelings to the fore was with the news reports (television and print) and speaking to people connected to aspects of the case — like two local religious leaders and a former State Representative.
As for the film being completely different if some of the people had talked to me, maybe. I think the idea was to follow the case. To that end, I read every document filed by the attorneys on both sides. I have about a copy paper box full of legal documents.
But I think you wanted an answer on how I was able to work around people who didn’t want to talk to me. Well, there is always a paper trail of comment that you can find, especially on something in the media when you are a public official. When it becomes a legal case, there’s even more. I’ve found this in my own work as a reporter.
As for your comment that the traditional Christians come off well, I never really saw this film is a battle between religions. I saw it as someone’s right to ask a question, someone’s right to argue. If they happened to be a Christian, I still would have made the film. To me, dissent is important in this country. When we refuse the right of one person to speak, we refuse the rights of all to do so.
MM:
In the end, did you wind up making the movie that you thought you were going to make?
RSM:
In a way it’s what I expected and in another way, it’s nothing like what I expected.
I knew Anonka’s story was interesting. Why would this senior citizen open an Inquisition museum in the middle of a rural, conservative, religious American town and why would she complain to the county about the plastic baby Jesus on the courthouse lawn? Then, what would happen in the town after her shop opened and there was the complaint? This was playing out as the cameras rolled and I believe it’s a fascinating look at small town politics and the thousands of little cases you hear about in the news all the time, but don’t have the time to spend with each one.
Also, as an individual, whether you find her appealing or not, you have to admit Anonka is interesting. Whether you agree with her complaint or not you have to consider it an interesting piece of yarn, at least how the legal case twists and turns.
Which leads to… how did it come together? I shot over three years (from the fall of 2002 through the summer of 2005), shot guerilla-style, paid for out of my own pocket while working next to minimum wage, at times, and then I had to haul in about 50 hours worth of footage before my editor.
My editor, an award-winning filmmaker in his own right, Michael Pfaendtner spent about two years with me shaping the footage and with suggestions on pacing and other tweaks.
So, if you don’t mind — maybe a few questions for you, Mr. Mike?
What made State St. stick with you? What did you like/didn’t like about it? And, I think we may have talked about this before; how/why did your opinion change on reflection?
MM:
I think it was my reaction to Anonka that accounts for my unusual reaction to the film. I agree with you that she is an interesting character, but the more I got to know her, the less I cared for her. I really felt that her wounds were self-inflicted. Yes, she was denied the right to speak at the Council meeting, and the editor of the local newspaper did not publish letters that took her side. But in the end, I thought she was more interested in being the center of attention than anything else.
That bothered me, but the story stuck with me and I realized that my immediate reaction was too limited.
The Separation on State Street is playing at some festivals in the midwest this fall and may soon be available on DVD.
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